378 More on Best Glide + Bad Pilots and ATC in the News

In Episode 378 of Aviation News Talk, Max Trescott continues the conversation around engine-out emergencies, building on the analysis presented in Episode 372, which examined the fatal crash of a Bonanza B35B (N2UZ) near Charlottesville, Virginia. This episode generated more listener email than any other recent episode, and Max shares many of those responses—read by Aviation News Talk’s resident intern, Kelly—with thoughtful commentary and added technical insight.

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Max opens the show by reviewing the crash of N2UZ. The pilot, flying from North Carolina to the northeast, experienced engine failure at 7,500 feet. Though he got to best glide speed quickly and contacted Charlottesville Tower, he ultimately overshot a 3,000-foot-long field and crashed into trees. The airport was just outside his gliding range. Max highlights decisions that might have changed the outcome—such as requesting flight following, cruising at a higher altitude, or planning a route that always remained within gliding distance of airports. He reiterates his call for EFB apps like ForeFlight and Garmin Pilot to help pilots create safer, altitude-aware routes during preflight planning.

Kelly reads a series of insightful listener emails. Karen Larson, a 787 airline pilot and Carbon Cub owner, describes how she and her husband discussed Max’s episode prior to ferrying a T6 to Houston. During the return flight, the T6 suffered a power loss over Austin. Thanks to their discussion and prompt action, they safely landed at a nearby private airpark. Karen credits the podcast for influencing that successful outcome.

David Dismore, working on his Commercial certificate in an SR20, writes about the value of practicing power-off 180s to a landing spot. Max agrees that such maneuvers are beneficial but warns against combining them with no-flap landings during practice. He points out that power-off 180s are usually practiced from predictable pattern positions, whereas engine failures in cruise often occur at high altitudes, making energy management and terrain assessment more challenging. Max advocates for practicing engine-out glides from altitude to better simulate real-world emergencies.

Listener Nico Ghilardi echoes this sentiment. He shares how he practices gliding to airports from cruise altitude without touching the throttle again—a more realistic and challenging version of a power-off landing. Nico suggests that aerobatic training might also help improve energy management skills. Max agrees and notes that most types of training likely contribute to overall pilot improvement.

Daniel Switkin contributes a timely caution. He references a video from AOPA that tested the glide range features of three EFB apps in three aircraft—and in each case, the aircraft failed to reach the runway, despite what the glide rings suggested. Max hadn’t seen the video but thanks Daniel for flagging it and makes it the podcast’s “Video of the Week.” He encourages pilots to test their own glide rings during practice flights, rather than trusting them uncritically during emergencies.

Carter Boswell writes with a question about the aerodynamic differences between a windmilling and a stopped propeller during engine-out flight. Max draws on a detailed article by Peter Garrison, who explains that the answer isn’t simple: in some cases, a stopped prop may create more drag than a windmilling one, especially at high speeds. Garrison recommends pulling the prop to coarse pitch and leaving the throttle open, based on his testing. Max also consults Tom Turner of the American Bonanza Society, who estimates that stopping the prop might reduce the descent rate by a few hundred feet per minute—but no definitive data exists.

Finally, Kelly reads an email from Bozzie Boswell in Australia, who introduces Max to an app called AvPlan EFB. Unlike some U.S. apps, AvPlan offers an “Airport Glide Range” overlay in its flight planning mode. This shows shaded glide circles around airports based on planned altitude, aircraft glide ratio, and forecast wind—making it easier to plan routes that stay within gliding distance of a runway. Bozzie, who flies in remote areas of Australia, emphasizes that this feature gives him greater peace of mind in terrain where emergency options are few.

Max dives into the details of AvPlan’s pricing and features, comparing it to ForeFlight and praising its glide ring planning tools. He reiterates his hope that more flight planning apps will adopt similar tools to improve safety for general aviation pilots.

Throughout the episode, Max emphasizes how real-world preparation—like practicing realistic glides, using flight following, and planning routes with terrain and glide range in mind—can make the difference between a safe outcome and a tragedy in engine-out situations. Listener stories and questions add valuable perspectives, showing how shared knowledge in the aviation community continues to make flying safer for everyone.

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205 Cessna and Cirrus Seat Rail Incidents and Accidents + GA News

205 Cessna and Cirrus Seat Rail Incidents and Accidents + GA News

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205 Max talks about Seat Rail accidents that have occurred in Cessna and Cirrus aircraft. Also, a video recording from a pilot made minutes after he pulled the parachute in his Lancair over a forest in Oregon last week. You’ll also hear the ATC audio from a San Diego plane crash that killed two people last week; the pilot appears to have lost situation awareness.

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158 Emergency Landing of Student Pilot, Instructor Passes Out – Interview Max Sylvester

158 Emergency Landing of Student Pilot, Instructor Passes Out – Interview Max Sylvester

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158 Last year, Australian student pilot Max Sylvester was taking his third flight lesson when his instructor had a seizure and passed out in the cockpit. Max managed to set the radio to the Jandakot Airport tower frequency and declare an emergency. Over the next hour, the air traffic controller, with the help of an instructor from Max’s flight school, talked Max down to a a successful landing.

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154 Six Hazardous Attitudes and Las Vegas Class B violation + GA News

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154 Max talks about a Las Vegas Class B violation by a pilot who ignored ATC instructions to exit the Bravo. The pilot whined and made excuses rather than comply with ATC. Max relates the incident to the FAA’s five Hazardous Attitudes and adds a sixth attitude, loss of face, which has been proposed by some researchers. He explains that any of us can hold any of the attitudes in a given situation.

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122 Air Traffic Controller Saves Lives – NATCA 2019 Archie League Awards

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122 Air Traffic Controller Saves Lives – NATCA 2019 Archie League Awards

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122 Two airliners departing Chicago come within a quarter of a mile of each other, an F-16 is nearly out of fuel and options, a C172 pilot is picking up ice, a Cessna 340 pilot lost pressurization and doesn’t know he’s hypoxic. An IFR Mooney has lost everything except his compass. A student pilot diverts because of high winds, and a C182 pilot in IMC is flying low because of bad altimeter readings.

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Emergency Landing: Controller Talks Down Student Pilot After Oil Covers Windshield

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101 On Sept 30, 2018, a student pilot with 4 hours solo time departed Potomac Airfield on a cross country flight. Within minutes after takeoff, she noticed oil starting to cover the windshield. She immediately requested a vector from Potomac Approach controller Casey Whittaker to return to the airport. Her first attempt to land had her skimming the treetops of the neighborhood next to the airfield. Her next plan was to ditch the aircraft in the Potomac River, to avoid any loss of life on the ground.

The pilot asked that her voice not be used. My thanks to pilot Tricia Belkin Vernola, whose voice you hear in this episode, for reading from the transcript of my interview with the pilot. Thanks also to controller Casey Whittaker and PCT NATCA FACREP Brandon Miller for sharing their stories. Finally, thanks to the student pilot for sharing her story.

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98 Pilot Communications with ATC: What Not to Read Back to Controllers + General Aviation News

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98 Max talks about pilot communications. Some pilots repeat everything to ATC. This is better than not repeating key items, as ATC will have to say it again and ask you to read it back. The problem is there’s limited bandwidth, and only one person can talk at a time. On quiet frequencies this isn’t a problem. But in time critical situations, ATC can’t talk until you stop talking.

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95 Crosswind Landing Tips for Private Pilots and Student Pilots + General Aviation News

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95 Max talks about the art of making crosswind landings. There are tradeoffs between the crab and low wing, also called side slip, methods of compensating for crosswinds. The crab method can handle larger crosswinds. The low wing method is harder to set up on final, but is simpler when transitioning to the flare.

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Exiting the Hold: Reaching Your Life Goals February 21, KSBP
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87 Night IFR Electrical Failure: ATC and a Cell Phone Save a Doctor – Interview with Controller Phil Enis

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On Super Bowl Sunday, Dr. Peter Edenhoffer was flying IFR at night in a Cessna Cardinal when he lost his electrical system. He’d already texted his son to say goodbye. Then he received a text message from Fort Worth Center which gave him hope for surviving when he realized he wasn’t alone. Max interviews NATCA’s Archie League Medal of Safety President’s Award winner controller Phil Enis about this save. Watch the NATCA video to hear more of the ATC radio transmissions and see more of the text messages from this save. It also includes a link where to where you can watch Dr. Peter Edenhoffer talk about what was going through his mind as he was alone in the dark.

Here are some ideas you should consider on future IFR flights including:
1. Include a cell phone or satellite phone number in the Remarks section of your IFR flight, so that controllers can attempt to reach you by phone or text, if they lose radio communications with you.
2. Bring a handheld radio when you fly. Set it up and test it ahead of time so that you know that it works. Handheld radios in metal airplanes receive OK, but often don’t transmit well because they’re essentially inside a shielded cage (the airplane!). Installing an external antenna on your airplane will greatly improve the transmit capability of a handheld radio.
3. If you have an electrical failure, use an EFB app like ForeFlight to navigate to an airport with better weather.
4. If you have cell phone service, consider calling 911 and have them pass along  your cellphone number to an air traffic controller.

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84 Ten Things Pilots Do that bug ATC Controllers – Interview with Brandon Gonzales

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Things Pilots Do that bug ATC Controllers
Here’s Brandon’s List:
1. Monitor the freq. before you speak.
2. Cleared for immediate takeoff, but then not doing it. Or, worse yet, doing it too quickly when not prepared.
3. IMMEDIATELY- Used by ATC when such action compliance is required to avoid an imminent situation
EXPEDITE− Used by ATC when prompt compliance is required to avoid the development of an imminent situation.
4. If you can’t accept or comply, advise. Maybe even provide an alternative that you can do.
5. If you don’t understand instructions. Please ask for clarification!
6. Repeating everything back verbatim. Use judgment with respect to read backs.
7. Hold short readbacks need the words hold short with callsign and runway number
8. Traffic calls. Use looking, or traffic in sight, not ‘See it on the Fish Finder”
9. Spelling out local airports phonetically; Don’t use the the Kilo
10. Turning early crosswinds and cutting out traffic. The AIM says turn crosswind when 300’ below TPA.
11. Doing a touch and go when cleared to land.
12. Turning base without a sequence is very dangerous.

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