317 Naples Challenger Jet Update & 1994 Challenger Dual Flameout + GA News

In this episode, Max discusses two Challenger jet crashes involving dual engine failures: one in Naples, FL, in February 2024 and another in Nebraska in 1994. The incidents share some similarities.

In the Naples crash, both engines experienced oil pressure warnings within seconds of each other before failing simultaneously. The preliminary report indicates the left landing gear touched down first, followed by the right, before the plane skidded into a concrete barrier. The cabin attendant facilitated passengers’ safe evacuation through the tail compartment. The pilots, highly experienced, had a combined flight time of over 35,000 hours. The aircraft, with GE CF34 Series turbofan engines, underwent recent airworthiness inspections and was fuel-soaked post-crash, ruling out fuel exhaustion.

Further examination revealed thermal damage to engine components but no clear cause for the simultaneous engine failures. Discussion with an Challenger jet pilot who listens to the show recalled a similar incident involving a Challenger aircraft that also had a dual engine flameout in 1994.

That crash occurred during a positioning flight after passenger drop-off, after experiencing a dual engine flameout between FL370 and FL410. The aircraft sustained substantial damage during a forced landing at night in an alfalfa field.

Analysis revealed water contamination in the fuel, leading to the engines’ failure. Both engines were sent for examination, showing consistent findings with fuel samples. The NTSB attributed the crash to inadequate planning, decision-making, and preflight inspections following fuel contamination.

Comparing the two crashes, both had simultaneous dual engine failures occurring around two hours into flight, and both had a yellow liquid in the fuel. At this point, the cause of the Naples crash is still unknown, though Cockpit Voice Recorder and Flight Data Recorder analysis should provide new clues.

The episode underscores the importance of fuel contamination awareness, and the necessity for thorough preflight inspections and proper response to warning signs.

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268 How to Troubleshoot a Failing Engine In Flight with Tom Turner + GA News

268 How to Troubleshoot a Failing Engine In Flight with Tom Turner + GA News

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268 Max talks with Tom Turner about how to troubleshoot a partial or total engine failure in flight. Every engine is going to be a little different, but there are generic steps for troubleshooting any partial or complete engine failure. All piston engines need fuel, air, and a source of ignition, so you need to check each of these items. For fuel, switch tanks, turn on any auxiliary fuel pumps, and adjust the mixture. If you have carb heat and a manual alternate air system, try applying these. For ignition, try different positions on the mag switch to see if that helps. The mixture on turbocharged engines is handled differently. In all cases, you should refer to the engine failure in flight checklist for your aircraft.

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264 Emergency Declarations: Listener Feedback and Insights – A Friday Mailbag Special

264 Emergency Declarations: Listener Feedback and Insights – A Friday Mailbag Special

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264 Max reads listener letters and feedback. An FAA employee recommends pilots adopt the newer phraseology for declaring an emergency, which is “requesting priority handling.” He believes pilots are reluctant to declare an emergency, as it suggests that what went wrong was their fault. The newer phraseology results in the same service provided by ATC; they’ll still ask for souls on board, and fuel remaining, and you can still deviate as needed, but you don’t need to say the words “I’m declaring an emergency.”

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262 The Deadly Partial Engine Failure with Tom Turner + GA News

262 The Deadly Partial Engine Failure with Tom Turner + GA News

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262 Max talks with Tom Turner about an ATSB study showing that partial power loss is 3X more likely than complete engine failure. It also shows that that serious injury or death occurred more frequently in partial power loss versus complete engine failures. With full power or no power, pilots know what to do. But the uncertainty of partial power loss makes it harder for pilots to decide what to do.

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251 Managing Engine Failures and Your Energy with Cirrus’ Jeff Galloway + GA News

251 Managing Engine Failures and Your Energy with Cirrus’ Jeff Galloway + GA News

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251 Max talks with Cirrus Aircraft’s SF50 Instructor Pilot Jeff Galloway about using energy management techniques after an engine failure. Jeff is a former Air Force F-15 instructor pilot, and he talks about staying in the energy cone around an airport, and managing your energy to touchdown. He shares stories of two pilots who failed to reach the runway, because they didn’t follow the process.

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