387 Vectors to Final and glide path behavior on RNAV (GPS) approaches + GA News

Max talks about common gotchas with RNAV GPS approaches, especially when using vectors to final (VTF). The conversation picks up where Episode 383 left off, with listeners asking how vectors to final (VTF) influences glidepath capture on WAAS approaches.
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He explains that under normal circumstances—flying the approach via own navigation from an initial approach fix (IAF)—the GPS glidepath doesn’t turn magenta or allow autopilot coupling until the FAF becomes the active waypoint. The magenta color indicates that the GPS receiver has completed a signal quality evaluation, verifying that the WAAS signal is good enough for LPV minimums. Until this point, the glidepath indicator remains a hollow white diamond, and the autopilot will not descend. However, activating VTF triggers this signal check immediately, regardless of the aircraft’s location. If the aircraft’s track is within approximately 100–110° of the final approach course, the glidepath indicator turns magenta and autopilot coupling becomes possible—even miles from the airport. This can be risky if the aircraft is outside the protected segment of the published procedure, especially in mountainous terrain where blindly following the glidepath can be hazardous. Max notes that activating VTF early, particularly from a downwind leg, may display the “SUSP” annunciator. He urges pilots not to press the SUSP button in this scenario, as it can inadvertently sequence legs inappropriately or disable the approach altogether. The SUSP annunciator will clear automatically during the final base-to-final turn, provided it’s within 45° of the final approach course. The episode then shifts to a common gotcha with ILS and RNAV approaches when being vectored in close. If a controller brings an aircraft in at an altitude that puts it above the glidepath—and the vertical deviation indicator centers before the lateral CDI centers—the autopilot will capture lateral guidance but not vertical guidance. Max describes this firsthand from a recent Vision Jet flight into Orange County, where his awareness helped avoid a missed capture. If the autopilot fails to capture the glidepath due to this timing issue, pilots must use vertical speed (VS) mode to manually descend and re-intercept it. Responding to listener Matt’s question, Max discusses the use of VNAV (Vertical Navigation) mode as another way to descend to the glidepath for early coupling. He clarifies that while VNAV is a separate topic, it’s related because it can assist with managing step-down altitudes more precisely. If VNAV is properly configured—usually in conjunction with the APPR key—it can manage the descent and transition into the glidepath at the FAF. However, Max warns of several pitfalls: pilots often forget to dial in a lower altitude, which prevents descent; older G1000 systems may ignore VNAV commands if the top of descent (TOD) is more than five minutes away; and using VNAV may not align with ATC altitude restrictions. He concludes that while VNAV has become more reliable due to Garmin software improvements, it introduces complexity and requires careful verification of ATC clearances and altitude settings. If you’re getting value from this show, please support the show via PayPal, Venmo, Zelle or Patreon. Support the Show by buying a Lightspeed ANR Headsets Max has been using only Lightspeed headsets for nearly 25 years! I love their tradeup program that let’s you trade in an older Lightspeed headset for a newer model. Start with one of the links below, and Lightspeed will pay a referral fee to support Aviation News Talk. Lightspeed Delta Zulu Headset $1199 Lightspeed Zulu 3 Headset $899 Lightspeed Sierra Headset $699 My Review on the Lightspeed Delta Zulu Send us your feedback or comments via email If you have a question you’d like answered on the show, let listeners hear you ask the question, by recording your listener question using your phone. News Stories Mentioned on the Show Buy Max Trescott’s G3000 Book Call 800-247-6553 Lightspeed Delta Zulu Headset Giveaway Video of the Week: Canopies Open during A-26 Intruder Flight  NTSB News Talk Podcast UAV News Talk Podcast Rotary Wing Show Podcast Free Index to the first 282 episodes of Aviation New Talk So You Want To Learn to Fly or Buy a Cirrus seminars Online Version of the Seminar Coming Soon – Register for Notification Check out our recommended ADS-B receivers, and order one for yourselfYes, we’ll make a couple of dollars if you do. Get the Free Aviation News Talk app for iOS or Android. Check out Max’s Online Courses: G1000 VFR, G1000 IFR, and Flying WAAS & GPS Approaches. Find them all at: https://www.pilotlearning.com/ Social Media Like Aviation News Talk podcast on Facebook Follow Max on Instagram Follow Max on Twitter Listen to all Aviation News Talk podcasts on YouTube or YouTube Premium “Go Around” song used by permission of Ken Dravis; you can buy his music at kendravis.com If you purchase a product through a link on our site, we may receive compensation.

308 Vectors to Final, Activate Approach and other Listener Questions + GA News

Max talks about why controllers in the U.S. use vectors for approaches far more often than in other countries. He also shares listener feedback on why flying own navigation may be less work than getting vectors to final. He addresses misconceptions about the Activate Approach command and exactly what it does. He also talks about the importance of keeping your GPS navigator synch with your present position. He also talks about how to Activate a Leg of a flight plan and the four common errors he sees pilots make when activating a leg. He also reads listener email, including about how ATC issues headings to establish a track, not a heading, that’s less than 30 degrees from final approach course.

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307 Texas Pilatus PC-12 N188PC Crash and Vectors to Final

Max talks about the FAA Controller Handbook rules for vectoring aircraft and how it relates to the crash of N188PC, a Pilatus PC-12 that crashed in Texas last week. He also talks about helpful tools in the Garmin G1000, G3000, Perspective and GTN 650 and 750 that you can use to tell if you might be getting a late turn from a controller that may take you through the final approach course. He also talks about how to use Garmin’s Runway Extensions and Track Vector when flying a traffic pattern, so that you never overshoot the base to final turn and always roll out on the extended centerline of the runway.

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304 When to Choose an IAF versus Vectors when Getting Vectors to Final + GA News

Max talks about when to choose an IAF versus Vectors when Getting Vectors to Final. Like most things in aviation, the answer is “It Depends.” In older GPSs, choosing Vectors drops some waypoints, which is fine over flat terrain, but which can be dangerous when vectored over mountainous terrain. This is why CFIs often encouraged pilots to always load an approach with an IAF and not vectors, even when being vectored for an approach. Newer GPSs have solved this problem, and in most cases, it’s fine to load an approach with vectors.

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134 How to Avoid CFIT, Controlled Flight Into Terrain Accidents + GA News

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134 How to Avoid CFIT, Controlled Flight Into Terrain Accidents + GA News

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134 Max talks about several CFIT accidents, including a recent crash of a SR22 near Las Vegas. He also talks about why you might still hit terrain when getting ATC vectors during VFR flight. He also talks about relative terrain tools available in the cockpit and in EFB apps such as ForeFlight and Garmin Pilot, and how they can help keep you safe.

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118 Instrument Flying and IFR Listener Questions + General Aviation News

118 Instrument Flying and IFR Listener Questions + General Aviation News

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118 GA news plus Max answers listeners questions on Instrument Flying and IFR including questions about how to save money on an instrument rating, using a simulator to get an instrument rating, when to switch from GPS to the Nav radio on localizer and VOR approaches, Legally using GPS on the entire VOR approach, whether to train in a round gauge airplane or a glass cockpit like in a Cirrus.

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52 Loading an Instrument Approach When Flying with Vectors, Trump’s Pilot and the FAA + GA News

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